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Post by (MSW) Enbee on Feb 11, 2014 3:08:30 GMT
We need a decision on this, ASAP.
Here is my understanding of events. Clarify as needed.
MadMg was unable to contact 007xxx Saturday and Sunday.
Early today, 007xxx and Madmg worked out a time to meet. Madmg was a no show. They then tried a new time, but 007xxx missed it. Then a final time, Madmg was unable to be reached again.
If this is accurate, I think one or the following actions should be taken:
1. 007xxx should get the DQ for not arranging a time to meet or use a sub Saturday or Sunday.
2. They both get a DQ, as an argument can be made that Madmg is to blame for missing the time they had scheduled today.
Let's act on this fast. I'd like a decision to be made by tomorrow morning.
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Post by (00N) hairlesspanda on Feb 11, 2014 3:21:19 GMT
Or 3. Madmg should get the DQ for not showing up when "Both" of them set up the time.
"Early today, 007xxx and Madmg worked out a time to meet. Madmg was a no show."
A bit of bias in my opinion, since Madmg could have done the same on Saturday and Sunday and rearrange the meeting with 007 via sending him a Friend Request. But to my understanding, it was 007 who "sent" the friend request to Madmg.
"Just sent a FR to madmg; will update any change
Last Edit: 20 hours ago by 007xxx"
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Post by (00N) hairlesspanda on Feb 11, 2014 3:22:02 GMT
or 4. 00N send in a sub and RAE does the same, and the winners move on next.
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Post by (MSW) Enbee on Feb 11, 2014 3:36:48 GMT
Or 3. Madmg should get the DQ for not showing up when "Both" of them set up the time. "Early today, 007xxx and Madmg worked out a time to meet. Madmg was a no show." A bit of bias in my opinion, since Madmg could have done the same on Saturday and Sunday and rearrange the meeting with 007 via sending him a Friend Request. But to my understanding, it was 007 who "sent" the friend request to Madmg. "Just sent a FR to madmg; will update any change Last Edit: 20 hours ago by 007xxx" I noted Saturday and Sunday because the initial announcement that went out asked everyone to have a match done by Sunday night. Of course, I'm willing to concede that there wasn't necessarily any official sign off on that, so maybe that factor shouldn't be considered. I am trying to put bias aside here, but I'd be remiss to not mention that I am slightly, and I do apologize for that. I can elaborate more on that if need be. Since I have bias though, and Killa47 and yourself would all but certainly side with your guild members, it's probably best for the other directors to decide on this matter without us. Does that sound reasonable? For what it's worth, I actually like the 4th option your presented most. Subs for both and we carry on that way. |
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Post by (00N) hairlesspanda on Feb 11, 2014 4:19:30 GMT
Thanks for understanding. I, like all of us here, are a team player, as such, I will fight to my last dying breath for my team members... even in a game such as this lol.
-HP
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Post by (00N) hairlesspanda on Feb 11, 2014 4:22:46 GMT
Lets work this out, right now it is 11:21pm where 007 is at.
Where is Madmg location? I have sent 007 a message and will do another one if I don't hear back form him soon. I will sub in Yenyit or Frieght. Both of them are not as strong as 007, but should do fine in the first round.
Killa, who you got for me as a sub?
-HP
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Post by (RAE) killa47 on Feb 11, 2014 5:37:05 GMT
I have joekenny87 as a sub and cheneymidwest who had to step aside as his matchup waited to long. Like you hp I stand by my guild mate. Regardless of how this plays out, and at this point I will abide by whatever our fellow directors decide, I would still line to see them have their moment in the arena.
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Post by (C61) Kush25 on Feb 11, 2014 10:54:25 GMT
I do not know either of the participants personally but I completely understand that it will be nigh on impossible to remain 100% impartial when it is your own Guildmates involved.
With regards to the issue at hand it seems to be six of one and half a dozen of another - give them both 12 hours to complete their matches and if at the end of that time, we do not have a result, as unfair as it may be both players should be subbed out and their replacements be given 24 hours to get their matches completed - could make sense for both potential subs to friend each other now and try and work out when a good time for them both would be? It would truly be a shame to DQ any participant and even subbing them out would rankle but we need to progress somehow.
Just my thoughts on the issue, I do hope they can both get their matches done asap!!
Kush
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Post by (BSB) shybenji on Feb 11, 2014 11:24:14 GMT
Actually I have tried to push this and gave an ultimatum to both HP and Killa via PM.
I said 6 hours for the match or both out (we are now 18 hours later and no decision) , i feel a sub should not be considered, if a participant can not make it they forfeit the match.
I agree it seems that both sides have tried but this is delaying the whole thing and could have been sorted in a timely manner.
I vote that both are removed, if we substitute then that leads to this whole process starting again.
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Post by (BSB) shybenji on Feb 11, 2014 11:37:59 GMT
On a side note with this I agree that 007 has tried since the weekend and mad is on vacation now.
Mad tried before hand, that being said neither has come to anyone else to sort. If either had come to me advising the situation i may have intervened.
I know that I am following a hardline here and we need to be lenient as its the first if its kind but that being said we have to maintain some sense of continuity and so far these two players have not helped this.
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Post by (RAE) killa47 on Feb 11, 2014 11:42:53 GMT
Obviously this must be decided by others as I'm admittedly going to be biased. I think they have a time set up un about 4 hours so lets see then. But what happens to one happens to the other. If that means double dq so be it but madmg was ready to go on Saturday and Sunday. Asking for him to be dq'd alone is ludicrous IMHO.
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Post by (00N) hairlesspanda on Feb 11, 2014 12:14:52 GMT
Here is my final proposal and I hope to have most, if not all of your support.
007 and Madmg pick a time to fight. They have 30 minutes from that chosen time to show up and fight. If one of them is a no show, then that player gets DQ, and the player that shows up get to move on.
This way at least we have someone from one of our guild move on. I think it is fair, like a job interview.
Hope to get your support on this.
-HP
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Post by (C61) Kush25 on Feb 11, 2014 12:40:13 GMT
HP your proposal will get a definitive result one way or another and I guess in principle I would agree with it, IF both parties can agree on a time and post that time here, then I feel we can move forward with this.
But what happens if they cannot agree upon a time?
Personally I feel we need to ensure that before the start of the next tournament this type of occurrence cannot happen! All participants must ensure they are available to complete their matches within a certain time frame or they should not be put forward to participate.
Kush
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Post by (00N) hairlesspanda on Feb 11, 2014 12:45:23 GMT
Thanks Kush! If both "cannot" come to an agreement, then "both gets DQ" for just being down right un-negotiable and holding up other players. It is fair.
I think this should be the standard from now on, both parties set up the time, if one is no show for 30 minutes from the "SET" time, then he/she gets DQ.
-HP
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Post by (BSB) shybenji on Feb 11, 2014 12:55:53 GMT
The other issue with this is that it takes them hours just to communicate, we are ending up just going round in circles. we will have to get them to agree a time, then wait for that time and then hope that they show, we then have to also rely on what they say. I Set an ultimatum last night that has passed but i will bow to the popular opinion here.
My opinion is to disq both or because we have 1 in a mountain somewhere with poor internet that will continue if that person progresses in the comp remove them.
we need a decision though as this is now frustrating.
I think both are equally to blame for this situation and as a result both should be punished, my lenient side would say that the person with the known internet issue (mad) gets removed.
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thanks to all competitors past and present and also the directors for making it happen.